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THANK YOU.

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[♪♪] CONNECTING MARYLANDERS TO THEIR GOVERNMENT, THIS IS "STATE CIRCLE".

>> Jeff: WELCOME TO "STATE CIRCLE".

COMING UP TONIGHT WE WILL PREVIEW THE GUBERNATORIAL DEBATE SET FOR MPT STUDIOS NEXT TUESDAY.

FIRST THE GROWTH OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE ON CAMPUS.

MARYLAND COLLEGES ARE MOVING TO ADD PROGRAMS TO PREPARE STUDENTS FOR A FAST CHANGING WORKFORCE.

HERE IS NANCY YAMADA.

>> TECHNOLOGY HELPS YOU DO THINGS QUICKER, BETTER FASTER.

>> THE PH.D.

CANDIDATE IS AMONG THE STUDENTS FOCUSING ON THE POSSIBILITIES OF ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE.

HER FIELD OF STUDY: HEALTH INFORMAT PARTICULARS IN BUILDING SYSTEMS TO UNDERSTAND NUANCE ALMOST LIKE HUMANS AS MORE OF US GO ON-LINE TO ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR HEALTH.

>> MY RESEARCH WE READ THE CONTEXT AND IT TELLS YOU LITERALLY THIS DEVIATES FROM WHAT MEDICAL EVIDENCE IS AND THIS POTENTIALLY IS RISKY IF YOU ACT ON IT.

SO IT GIVES YOU INFORMATION TO MAKE A DECISION.

>> OTHERS ARE SEEING HOW A.I.

CAN IMPROVE WEATHER FORECASTING.

>> YOU WILL SEE FORECASTS UP TO 10 DAYS IN ADVANCE AND WE ARE TRYING TO EXTEND IT 12 MONTHS IN ADVANCE.

>> UMD ARE OFFERING A.I.

CENTERED DEGREES AND CLASSES AS INTEREST GROWS AMONG STUDENTS INTERESTED IN APPLYING DATA SCIENCE, A.I.

AND ADVANCED COMPUTING TO REAL WORLD CHALLENGES.

>> I FIND IT INTERESTING TO LEARN HOW WE CAN OPTIMIZE WHAT ARE TEDIOUS PROCESSES IN THE TECHNICAL FIELD IT'S COOL TO SEE HOW PATTERN RECOGNITION AND HOW FAR WE CAN ADVANCE THE PROCESSES.

>> PEOPLE DESCRIBE IT AS A PATTERN MATCHER THAT IS AN OVER SIMPLIFICATION IT IS A POWERFUL TOOL THAT CAN BE USED BY PEOPLE AND UNDERSTANDING IT IS KEY TO ACCELERATING THE WORK FLOWS.

>> STUDENTS INTERESTED IS PROFESSOR, UMBC'S VICE PROVOST AND A.I.

OFFICER.

>> WE ARE PREPARING STUDENTS WHO UNDERSTAND BOTH THE POSSIBILITIES AND THE WARNINGS.

>> SOME OF THE WARNINGS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS AND PILOT FALLS OF A.I.

ARE COMING FROM TOP A.I.

INDUSTRY LEADERS, TECH EXECUTIVES AND SAFETY RESEARCHERS.

>> WHILE RESPECTING THE CONCERNS THERE IS A NEED FOR CITIZENS TO UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY AND CAN ENGAGE WITH IT AND BUILD IT IN A WAY THAT IT'S POSITIVE SIDES OUTWEIGHS SIGNIFICANTLY OUTWEIGH ANY NEGATIVE EFFECTS IT HAS.

>> WE TOO NEED GUARDRAILS FOR A.I.

AND ETHICS BUT IF A.I.

IS USED PROPERLY IN THE WAY IT SHOULD BE USED, A.I.

HAS THE POTENTIAL TO DO A LOT OF THINGS.

>> WITH ANY ADVANCEMENTS THERE'S FEAR IN THE BEGINNING I THINK WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE SURE WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE AND BEING INFORMED GETTING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT WE TO DO TO TAKE PRECAUTIONS AND BEING ABLE TO DES SIM NATURE THAT KNOWLEDGE TO COMMUNITIES.

>> IT IS VERY HARD TO REPLACE THE KIND OF CRITICAL THINKING THAT PEOPLE DO.

REALLY WHAT IS INTEL JENTD IS YOU, YOU ARE COMPUTING YOUR INTELLIGENCE.

>> I'M NANCY YAMADA FOR "STATE CIRCLE".

>> Jeff: THANK YOU.

JOINING US IS HAL DAUME A PROFESSOR AT THE AI INTERDISCIPLINARY INSTITUTE AT UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND UMD COMPUTER SCIENCE AND LANGUAGE SCIENCE.

>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME IT'S EXCITING.

>> Jeff: TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR ACADEMIC BACKGROUND AND PROFESSIONAL BACKGROUND AS IT RELATES TO A.I.

>> SURE.

I GOT MY START IN A.I.

PACK IN 1999 BACK WHEN NO ONE WAS TALKING ABOUT A.I.

AND WE ARE IN THIS WORLD THAT EVERYONE IS TALKING ABOUT A.I.

WHICH HAS BEEN A CULTURAL SHIFT.

I STARTED DOING RESEARCH AT CARNEGIE MELLON AND GOT A PH.D.

IN COMPUTER SCIENCE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA AND NOW A PROFESSOR HERE AT UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND IN COLLEGE PARK WHERE I DIRECT THE ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE AI INTERDISCIPLINARY INSTITUTE AT UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND UMD COMPUTER SCIENCE AND LANGUAGE SCIENCE.

>> WHEN YOU SEE THE SPEED OF DEVELOPMENTS IN THIS INDUSTRY, IT'S ALL SOMETHING YOU FORESAW?

OR THIS IS MAYBE GOING PLACES YOU DIDN'T EXPECT?

>> IT IS A MIX.

I THINK THE SPEED SURPRISED PROBABLY EVERYONE.

I THINK THE FIRST EXPERIENCE I HAD WHERE I WAS REALLY FLOORED WITH HOW QUICKLY THINGS ADVANCED WAS IMAGE GENERATION.

THE ABILITY TO GENERATE ALMOST PHOTO REALISTIC IMAGES WENTZ FROM ALMOST ZERO TO ALMOST PERFECT IN LIKE A COUPLE OF YEARS IN A WAY I DON'T THINK ANYONE EXPECTED.

I THINK A LOT OF OTHER THINGS ESPECIALLY ON THE CHATBOT SIDE THERE'S BEEN MORE OF A STEADY PROGRESS.

WE WERE ALL USING SIRI AND GOOGLE HOME BEFORE CHATGPT AND GEMINI CAME OUT THERE ARE VERY DIFFERENT AND MUCH MORE CAPABLE BUT WE HAD A HISTORY OF CHATBOT LIKE TECHNOLOGY.

AND THEN SORT OF LIKE THE RECENT SHIFT TO THINGS LIKE VIDEO GENERATION OR THESE AGENTS THAT WILL DO THINGS FOR YOU ON THE INTERNET, I THINK THOSE THEY HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A HISTORY BUT MUCH MORE OF THIS WAS LIKE LAST ONE YEAR, LAST TWO YEAR KIND OF THING.

I THINK THE SPEED IS DEFINITELY MUCH HIGHER NOW THAN IN THE PAST.

>> Jeff: WHAT DO YOU THINK TODAY'S STUDENTS NEED TO KNOW ABOUT A.I.?

AND I'M THINKING OF THE REGULAR UNDERGRAD BUT WEIGH CAN TALK ABOUT COMPUTER SCIENCE MAJORS AND POSTGRADUATE STUDENTS AS WELL.

>> I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT DIFFERENT.

COMPUTER SCIENCE IN SOME WAYS WE GOT HIT BY THE AUTOMATION EARLIER THAN OTHER FIELDS.

A.I.

CODING TOOLS HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS AT THE LEVEL OF BEING REASONABLY GOOD.

AND SO AS A PROFESSOR IN COMPUTER SCIENCE WE HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE SAME QUESTIONS MY ENGLISH PROFESSORS ARE DEALING WITH HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT STUDENTS ARE LEARNING THE THING RATHER THAN ASKING AN A.I.

SYSTEM TO DO IT FOR THEM.

SO, I ACTUALLY DON'T THINK THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I THINK WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS WORKFORCE EXPECTS STUDENTS TO GRADUATE A.I.

NATIVE.

ALMOST ANY EMPLOYER IS GOING TO WANT TO HIRE A STUDENT WHO KNOWS HOW TO USE A.I.

ATOOLS TO DO A BETTER JOB AT WHATEVER IT IS THEY ARE BEING HIRED TO DO WHETHER IT'S SOFTWARE, JOURNALISM, EDUCATION, WHATEVER THE DISCIPLINE IS.

SO I THINK THAT THE THING THAT HONESTLY EVERYONE IS STRUGGLING WITH BOTH FACULTY AND STUDENTS, IS TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU ENSURE THAT STUDENTS ARE A.I.

NATIVE AT THE TIME THEY GRADUATE BUT THEY ARE ALSO STILL LEARNING.

AND WE ARE NOT GETTING THIS LIKE COGNITIVE OFF LOADING OF ANYTHING THAT IS DIFFICULT GOES TO THE A.I.

SYSTEM.

BECAUSE THE OTHER THING I'M HEARING FROM EMPLOYERS IS THEY REALLY NEED PEOPLE WHO CAN THINK.

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING AWAY IT'S NOT GONE AWAY.

SO I THINK IT'S THIS BALANCING ACT BETWEEN UNDERSTANDING HOW TO USE THE TOOL IN A WAY THAT SUPPORTS YOUR OWN THINKING AND COGNITIVE DEVELOPMENT.

>> Jeff: HOW DO YOU TEACH SOMETHING MOVING SO QUICKLY?

I WAS THINKING TODAY'S COLLEGE SENIORS WHEN THEY WERE FRESHMEN ALL THIS WAS STILL IN THE INFANCY?

>> THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS IN HIGHER EDUCATION THAT I CAN THINK OF H BECAUSE WE CAN DEVELOP COURSES AND WE OFFER THE COURSES A YEAR LATER AND THEY ARE ALREADY OUT OF DATE.

SO I THINK THAT THE THERE'S SORT OF A PROCESS THING WHICH IS LIKE STUDENTS EDUCATION WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT JUST GENERALLY HOW TO MAKE COURSES MORE NIMBLE.

BUT THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE WHICH IS THE UNDER LYING TOOLS ARE CHANGING AND THEIR CAPABILITIES ARE CHANGING.

BUT THEIR ISSUES ARE KIND OF THE SAME.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE YEARS AGO WE WERE TALKING ABOUT HALLUCINATIONS ALL THE TIME, THE CHATBOT MAKES UP COURT CASES.

>> Jeff: HAS THAT GOTTEN BETTER?

>> IT'S GOTTEN BETTER BUT IT STILL HAPPENS AND YOU ARE SEEING THE EQUIVALENT THING IN OTHER SETTINGS.

SO LIKE I USE CODING AGENTS A LOT TO DO SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT AND THEY HALLUCINATE TOO THEY DON'T HALLUCINATE BY MAKING UP FACTS BUT MAKING UP RESULTS INTO TABLES THEY GENERATE.

I THINK THERE IS JUST SOME SETS OF STRENGTHS THE SYSTEMS HAVE AND WEAKNESSES THAT AT LEAST OVER THE PAST THREE, FOUR YEARS HAVE REMAINED PRETTY CONSISTENT.

AND SO YOU THINK THAT'S THE SORT OF STUFF THAT YOU NEED TO THINK ABOUT.

IN ADDITION TO JUST BROADLY HOW DO YOU HELP STUDENTS LEARN HOW TO LEARN WHEN THERE'S THIS THING OFF TO THE SIDE THAT SORT OF ALWAYS THERE TO HELP, BUT SOMETIMES CAN BE MORE OF A DEFICIT THAN A BENEFIT.

>> Jeff: HOW DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT PART OF THIS, VERY DOMINANT IN THE NEWS CYCLE THESE DAYS THE IDEA THAT A.I.

CAN NOW IMPROVE ITSELF, BUILD ITS OWN MODELS ESCAPE CONTAINMENT AND IS SOME DAY GOING TO TRY TO KILL US ALL?

>> IT COULD HAPPEN.

I DOPTD HE ATHINK IT'S LIKELY.

I THINK THAT I GENERALLY ALWAYS BEEN OF THE VIEW THAT YOU KNOW, HUMANS USING A.I.

TOOLS IN FAIRIOUSLY IS THE GREATER RISK THAN A.I.

TOOLS LIKE SOMEHOW BECOMING SELF-AWARE AND DECIDING THAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO SOMETHING BAD.

WE SAW THE THERE WAS THE OPENING A.I.

SYSTEM THAT HACKED INTO HUGGING FACE AND FROM WHAT I CAN TELL FROM THE OUTSIDE AND IT'S HARD TO TELL, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A POORLY CONTAINED SYSTEM WHERE THEY BUILT MALWARE AND IT DID THE THING MALWARE DOES LIKE TRY TO HACK INTO OTHER SYSTEMS.

I THINK THERE'S RISK IN THE IT'S INCREASINGLY HARD TO GET A SENSE OF WHAT THE SYSTEMS ARE CAPABLE OF.

SO YOU CAN KNOW TO MAKE SURE WHAT THEY DON'T DO.

I THINK THAT THE REAL RISKS THAT ARE OUT THERE ARE AS MUCH MORE LIKELY TO ME THAT SOME NEFARIOUS PERSON IS GOING TO USE A.I.

SYSTEMS FOR NEFARIOUS END THAN SOME GOODWILLED PERSON IS GOING TO DESTROY HUMANITY BY AN A.I.

SYSTEM THAT THEY DID NOT DEVELOP CORRECTLY.

>> Jeff: AND IT'S TOO LATE TO PUT THE AGAIN ANY BACK IN THE BOTTLE, THE TECHNOLOGY IS OUT THERE THERE ARE AMERICAN VERSIONS AND CHINESE VERY,S AND THEY ARE BOTH RACING AHEAD.

>> THAT'S RIGHT.

I 24EU THERE'S ALL THE DISCUSSION OF SLOWING DOWN RIGHT NOW.

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THAT THIS IS UNLIKELY THAT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING TOOLS TO VERIFY A.I.

SYSTEMS AT THE SAME CASE WE'RE DEVELOPING THE A.I.

SYSTEMS THEMSELVES.

AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN SORT OF WORK ON THOSE TWO LANES SIMULTANEOUSLY THAT COVERS A LOT OF THE POTENTIAL DOWNSIDE WITHOUT EITHER TRYING TO GET THE JENNY BACK IN THE BOTTLE OR SLOWING DOWN WHICH ALSO SEEMS UNLIKELY TO GO ANYWHERE.

>> Jeff: I HAD A HUNCH AS WE WERE CORRESPONDING ABOUT THIS INTERVIEW THAT YOU'VE GOT A.I.

RUNNING YOUR E-MAIL H E-MAIL AM I OFF BASE?

>> I ACTUALLY USED AN A.I.

CODING TACT TO BUILD MY OWN E-MAIL CLIENT.

BECAUSE I FIND GMAIL TOO INEFFICIENT.

AND SO YEAH, I HAVE A SYSTEM THAT BASICALLY FLAGS THE HIGH PRIORITY E-MAILS FOR ME, SUGGESTS DRAFT RESPONSES, AND WHAT I FOUND IS THAT IT OCCASIONALLY MAKES SILLY MISTAKES.

I HAVE ACCIDENTALLY CALLED A DEAN ON CAMPUS BY THEIR FIRST NAME RATHER THAN DEAN SO AND SO WHICH IS A SOCIAL FAUX PAS IN AN ACADEMIC SETTING.

THIS IS AGAIN ONE OF THE CASES YOU WANT TO BE SURE YOU ARE MONITORING THE OUTPUT RATHER THAN JUST LIKE LETTING THE THINGS GO.

>> Jeff: WE ARE ALL GOING TO HAVE WHATEVER WE USE IT FOR DOUBLE-CHECK THE OUTPUT.

I USED A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SEARCH ENGINES TO ASK THE QUESTION ABOUT MARYLAND ELECTIONS THREE DISIF SEARCH ENGINES I GOT THREE DIFFERENT ANSWERS?

>> I THINK AND IF YOU ASKED THE SAME SYSTEM THREE TIMES YOU LIKELY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THREE DIFFERENT ANSWERS.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT A.I.

SYSTEMS AND A.I.

DEVELOPERS ARE STRUGGLING WITH RIGHT NOW, IS MOST ISSUES ARE NOT CUT AND DRY.

BUT MOST OF THE TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE ASKING A QUESTION, IT'S MORE LIKE AN IDLE CURIOSITY RATHER THAN SOMETHING THEY ARE DOING INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM ON.

TRYING TO TEASE OUT THIS WHEN DOES THE PERSON WANT A SIMPLE ANSWER THAT COVERS 80% BUT IS DOESN'T GET INTO ALL THE NUANCE VERSUS, OKAY, I REALLY WANT TO UNDERSTAND SORT OF DEEPLY LIKE THE DIFFERENT SIDES OF THIS.

I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CURRENT SYSTEMS THE OPT WAY YOU CAN GET AT IT IS INTERACTING WITH THEM.

ASKING FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS LIKE GRILL THE SYSTEM.

YOU SAID THIS.

BUT, WHATEVER.

AND I THINK IN THOSE CASES YOU CAN GET THE SYSTEMS TO JUSTIFY THEMSELVES OR BACK OUT OF THE ORIGINAL PERSPECTIVE.

BUT IT TAKES A LOT OF ENGAGEMENT AND IN A LOT OF CASES PEOPLE THEY HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE DID PEANUT BUTTER COME FROM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

>> Jeff: HAL DAUME OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND PROFESSOR, PROFESSOR THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HIM.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IT WAS GREAT TO CHAT.

[♪♪] >> Jeff: WE'RE JOINED NOW BY LONG TIME POLITICAL SCIENCE PROFESSOR JOHN DIEDE OF CBCC THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HIM.

GLAD TO BE HERE NOOR WE HAVE A POLITICAL DEALT NEXT TUESDAY AIRING AT 7:00 P.M.

ON MPT FOR THE GOVERNOR OF MARYLAND WE HAVE THE GOVERNOR WES MOORE THE REPUBLICAN CHALLENGER DAN COX LOOKING AT THIS RACE, JOHN, WHAT IS EACH CANDIDATE NEED TO DO?

>> WES MOORE NEEDS TO DO IS SHOW UP, KEEP THE SMILE GOING AND KIND OF DEFLECT ANY ATTACKS AT ALL.

HE IS UP BIG POLLING WISE.

THAT'S WHAT HE HAS TO DO.

DAN COX HE NEEDS TO HOPE THAT WES MOORE MAKES MULTIPLE GAFFES BECAUSE YOU DON'T WIN DEBATES YOU LOSE DEBATES.

TWO YEARS AGO, DEBATE BETWEEN HARRIS AND TRUMP MOST PEOPLE AGREED HARRIS WON THE DEBATE.

HARRIS LOST THE ELECTION.

I THINK DAN COX HAS TO BE ON HIS GAME AND HE HAS TO COME OFF AS NORMAL IN SOME RESPECTS BECAUSE PEOPLE THINK OF HIM AND HIS ACTIONS JANUARY 6 AND SUPPORTERS IS FAR OUT THERE.

HE HAS TO COME OFF AS MORE MODERATE AND PEOPLE CAN SAY OKAY HE MAY SUPPORT TRUMP BUT HE IS NORMAL.

THAT IS WHAT HE HAS TO PULL OFF.

>> Jeff: ARE YOU SURPRISED THAT GOVERNOR MOORE UP BIG IN THE POLLS HAS TONS OF MONEY IS BOTHERING TO DEBATE TO PUT HIMSELF POTENTIALLY IN THE LINE OF FIRE?

>> I THINK IT IS A GOOD WAY TO PUNCH THE TICKET SAY LOOK I DEBATED MY OPPONENTINGS AND I WAS WILLING TO GET ON THE STAGE AND HAVE AT IT AND DO THIS THING IT'S JUST A GOOD TICKET TO PUNCH IN GENERAL.

AND IT ALSO ONE THING ON A CAMPAIGN STAGE, IF HE CHOOSES TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, DEBATE PRACTICE IS A GOOD THING.

>> Jeff: HOW ABOUT THE VOTERS?

WHAT DO YOU THINK THE VOTERS ARE FOCUSED ON IN THIS CYCLE?

CERTAINLY POCKETBOOK ISSUES WOULD BE ON THE LIST?

>> I THINK THEY ARE FOCUSED ON THE SAME THING THEY ARE FOCUSED ON NATIONALLY WHICH IS DEFICIT, BUT ALSO THE GASOLINE PRICES.

AND I'M SURPRISED BUT DAN COX IS THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES HAMMER IT MORE WITH TELEVISION ADS ABOUT THE HIGH GASOLINE PRICES AND THE MARYLAND GAS TAX.

ANDY HARRIS TALKED ABOUT THE ELIMINATION OF THE FEDERAL TAX THAT IS THIRTEEN SENT CENTS.

THAT IS SOMETHING THAT VOTERS ARE MOST CONCERNED ABOUT THE TWO ISSUES, MARYLAND'S STRUCTURAL DEFICIT AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT YEAR?

I DON'T THINK -- DAN COX WILL PROBABLY TRY TO GET WES MOORE WILL YOU PROMISE NOT TO INCREASE TAXES AND FEES?

I DOUBT WES MOORE IS GOING TO TAKE ANY BITE ON THAT AT ALL.

BUT THAT IS A CONCERN PEOPLE HAVE.

BUT THE PROBLEM IS WHEN THEY LOOK AT BOTH CANDIDATES I THINK THEY SEYMOUR IS A BETTER CANDIDATE THAN DAN COX.

>> Jeff: HOW ABOUT NATIONALLY?

THE CONVENTIONAL WISDOM IS THAT THE DEMOCRATS PROBABLY RETAKE THE HOUSE AND HAVE A SHOT TO RETAKE THE SENATE.

HOW DO YOU SEE THAT?

>> THERE IS ONE MAJOR ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATS NATIONALLY THAT THEY ARE CAPITALIZING ON WELL AND A FEW REPUBLICANS HAVE DONE THIS DATA CENTERS.

I WAS TALKING TWO WEEKS AGO.

YOU HAVE TO BE AGAINST DATA CENTERS IF YOU WANT TO GET ELECTED AS A DEMOCRAT.

AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE THEM AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE A.I.

THEY USE IT EVERYDAY THEY DON'T LIKE IT BECAUSE THEY SEE A.I.

IS HANDY RIGHT NOW BUT I CAN SEE A.I.

TAKING MY JOB IN TWO YEARS AND THAT IS WHY PEOPLE HATE DATA CENTERS IT'S ABOUT A.I.

YOU CAN GET INTO THE NOISE, ENVIRONMENT AND POLLUTION AND THE GOVERNOR FLIP DPLOPPED ON THIS.

A COUPLE WEEKS AGO HE WAS IN ON IT AND THEN ASKED A QUESTION ABOUT DOING SOMETHING DIFFERENT WITH IT AND HE SAID THE LEGISLATURE PASSES SOMETHING TO BASICALLY TAKE A PAUSE OR GET RID OF DATA CENTERS I WILL SIGN IT.

AND HE CAME OUT THE NEXT DAY AND TALKED ABOUT THE ONE DOCTORING OF DATA CENTERS.

IF DAN COX HAS MORE FINANCIAL RESOURCES.

HE DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TO PLAY WITH HE IS FIGHTING AT A DISADVANTAGE IF HE HAD MONEY HE COULD MAKE THIS AN ISSUE I WOULD SAY YOU EVERY ANSWER HAS TO INVOLVE DATA CENTERS NO MATTER WHAT THE QUESTION TALK ABOUT DATA CENTERS THAT IS THE ONE THING THAT IS TRIGGERING VOTERS LOCALLY AND NATIONALLY.

AND WHAT PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING SO MUCH ON THE SIDE OF THAT AND ALONG WITH THE GASOLINE PRICES, IT'S MAKING REPUBLICANS ROAD VERY TOUGH COMING UP AT THE MIDTERMS.

>> Jeff: HOW ABOUT THE REFERENDUM QUESTION A MARYLAND QUESTION 3 WHICH WOULD AMEND THE CONSTITUTION TO BASICALLY MAKE IT EASIER TO DRAW NEW CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS WITH FUNNY LINES.

THERE'S BEEN POLLING NO INDEPENDENT POLLING, I THINK BUT THIS MAYBE COMPETITIVE?

>> THE FUNNY THING IS THERE WAS ONE POLL THAT SAID DON'T DO IT AND ANOTHER POLL SAID DO IT.

WE NEED BETTER POLLING AND I THINK WE MAY SEE SOMETHING SOON.

WHEN I THINK ABOUT QUESTION 3 IF I WANTED TO KILL QUESTION 3 THERE'S ONLY ONE PERSON WHO CAN KILL QUESTION 3 AND THAT IS FORMER GOVERNOR LARRY HOGAN.

HE HAS THE STREET CREDIT ON THE ISSUE OF GERRYMANDERING AND REDISTRICTING HE PROPOSED A COMMISSION TO DEAL WITH STUFF LIKETIES.

YOU PUT LARRY HOGAN ON TV YOU WILL WIN.

ANYTIME ANDDY HARRIS TALKS ABOUT THE EVILS OF QUESTION 3 IT INCREASES THE VOTES FOR QUESTION 3 BECAUSE A LOT OF THE STATE SEE ANDY HARRIS AND IF I VOTE FOR QUESTION 3 WE'LL GET RID OF HIM.

>> Jeff: AND THAT IS TRUE.

HARRIS' DISTRICT, THE EASTERN SHORE REPUBLICAN BASTIAN WOULD BE SLICED IN HALF TWO YEARS FROM NOW?

>> YES, THAT IS THE DISTRICT THAT GO AFTER THEY WOULD TAKE PART OF ANNAPOLIS WHICH IRONICALLY IN THE 1980s AND 90s, ANNE ARUNDEL COUNTY WAS PART OF DISTRICT ONE.

>> Jeff: THEY DID THE SAME THING WHERE THE DISTRICT CAME OVER THE BAY BRIDGE.

>> AND PEOPLE DIDN'T SAY IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING THAT KIND OF HEADACHES SENSE IN A WAY.

AND I THINK WHEN YOU ALOOKING AT WHAT TO DO AS FAR AS THIS REDISTRICTING THING, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE SPLIT ON WHAT TO DO.

IT HASN'T GOTTEN PUSH WITH TELEVISION ADVERTISING OR SELLING IT.

AND I THINK THE PRO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TRY TO USE TRUMP AS A TRIGGER.

THE ANTI-PEOPLE NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THEY STAND.

ANDDY HARRIS OPPOSES QUESTION 3 BUT HE OPPOSES GETTING RID OF GERRYMANDERING NATIONWIDE HE IS NOT THE BEST ADVOCATE FOR THIS.

>> Jeff: AND THE BALLOT LANGUAGE DESPITE THE STATE COURTS REWRITING IT REMAINS SOMEWHAT OPAQUE.

IT DOESN'T SAY QUESTION 3 GET RID OF ANDY HARRIS.

>> IT DOESN'T BUT EVERYONE KNOWS BETWEEN THE LINES WHAT QUESTION 3 IS TRYING TO DO.

AND THE COURTS GOT INVOLVED IN THIS WROTE IT THEMSELVES THE THING IS ABOUT BALLOT PROPOSITIONS IS SOMETIMES VOTERS SKIP THAT BECAUSE MOST ARE VERY WORDY AND IF YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND SOMETHING WHEN IN DOUBT I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR IT.

THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THERE IS A PUSH MADE BY THE CANDIDATES AND SAY, HEY WE GOT TO STOP THIS OR SUPPORT IT AND WHAT ADVOCACY GROUPS DO.

RIGHT NOW THE GOVERNOR HAS BEEN QUIET AND IS HE LULLING THE WEEDS OR SLEEPING.

>> Jeff: JOHN, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU FOLLOWING IN MARYLAND?

>> THE ONE RACE I'M FOLLOWING IS THE 8TH DISTRICT THE 6TH DISTRICT RACE FOR THE STATE SENATE BETWEEN JUSTIN HOLIDAY AND SENATOR SAYLY.

AND I'M FOLLOWING IT BECAUSE IT HAS ALL THE DYNAMICS.

SAY LEN WON THE PRIMARY THE PROBLEM IS HE HAS NO INTEREST IN SUPPORTING SAILLY IN THE GENERAL ELECTION.

>> Jeff: AND SAILLY IS A REPUBLICAN.

>> HE IS A REPUBLICAN.

A TRUMP REPUBLICAN ET CETERA.

EISEN HART IS SHOWING PASSIVE SUPPORT FOR HOLIDAY IN HIS ELECTION BID.

IN OTHER WORDS YOU HAVE A TRUMP REPUBLICAN SUPPORTING A DEMOCRAT BECAUSE OF HIS DISLIKE FOR SALLY AND IT GOTTEN PERSONAL PERSONAL ATTACKS, PERSONAL LIFE THINGS ABOUT SAYLY THAT IS REALLY OUTSIDE THE BOUNDARIES AND SOME OF THE FACEBOOK AND SOCIAL MEDIA ATTACKS THE BEST WAY TO DESCRIBE THEM IS RUTHLESS AT BEST.

>> Jeff: BEFORE WE GO TELL US ABOUT YOUR SUBSTACK YOU ARE NOT ONLY AN EXCELLENT INTERVIEWY YOU ARE BECOMING AN GOOD INTERVIEWER TOO.

>> I'M TALKING TO LOCAL AND STATE PEOPLE I REASON I STARTED DOING IT I GOT TIRED OF NATIONAL POLITICS I WANTED TO FOCUS ON MARYLAND POLITICS AND THE SUBSET PAGE IS MARYLAND STATE GOVERNMENT IN POLITICS AND I INTERVIEW PEOPLE, AND TALK TO THEM GET IDEAS ON LOCAL PERSPECTIVES AND CANDIDATES.

BECAUSE CANDIDATES ARE FAST PEOPLE TO TALK TO AND DIFFERENT INTERESTED PEOPLE LIKE BRUCE, I TALKED WITH ONE OF THE MOST FASCINATING I'VE EVER DONE WITH ANYBODY.

AS FAR AS ON DIFFERENT THINGS AND I TRY TO TALK TO PEOPLE AND I OFTEN TELL PEOPLE WHEN I CONTACT THEM I'M LARRY KING I'M NOT HERE TO MAKE NEWS, IF NEWS WAS MADE IT IS AN ACCIDENT.

I WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO TALK AND GIVE THEIR OPINIONS ON THINGS.

I WRITE A LOT OF ARTICLES ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS RELATED TO POLITICS ESPECIALLY IN BALTIMORE CITY WITH THE INSPECTOR GENERAL'S OFFICE SITUATION.

AND JUST GETTING TO BRING LOCAL POLITICS OUT THERE A LITTLE BIT MORE AND GIVE PEOPLE A FLAVOR WHAT IS GOING ON.

WE HAVE SEEN A DECREASE OF NEWS OF WHAT IS GOING ON GETTING COVERED LOCALLY ESPECIALLY WHAT HAPPENED AT WMAR AND PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THEIR COMMUNITIES AND WHAT IS GOING ON IN POLITICS AND GET AN EXPLANATION.

>> Jeff: THANKS TO PROFESSOR JOHN DIEDE AND THAT IS "STATE CIRCLE" FOR THIS WEEK.

THANK YOU FOR WATCHING WE'LL SEE YOU BACK MONDAY AT 7:00 P.M.

FOR "DIRECT CONNECTION".

CLOSED CAPTIONING HAS BEEN MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY MARYLAND RELAY, EMPOWERING THOSE WHO ARE DEAF, HARD OF HEARING OR SPEECH DISABLED TO STAY CONNECTED BY PHONE.